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		<title>Comment on Kink, rape, child porn and blurred lines. by Anna</title>
		<link>http://chillercold.wordpress.com/2013/06/16/kink-rape-child-porn-and-blurred-lines/#comment-1261</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I seem to have duplicated the last point you&#039;ve made. Sorry...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem to have duplicated the last point you&#8217;ve made. Sorry&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kink, rape, child porn and blurred lines. by Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 16:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello.  I&#039;ve been turning this over in my mind and the problems I have are these:

Firstly, the issue of consent in the filming of rape porn. In person you can, indeed must have a conversation about consent and limits, you and the other participant(s) are there, you know 100% what is consented-to, and what is not. 

However, when someone watches a film they cannot have that same degree of certainty. Just as in-person consent can be coerced (making any subsequent act coercive, and therefore abusive and therefore rape), so can a filmed consent &#039;chat&#039;. The difference being that (I&#039;d imagine) that in the majority of films the actors are unknown to the viewer, placing their certainty as to consent at a further remove. The point I&#039;m making is that as a viewer, you cannot KNOW that consent was given freely. And just as anything less than 100% consent (by which I mean &#039;Yes&#039;, not &#039;If you want to&#039; btw) in real life is not consensual, so watching something where you cannot be certain 100% consent was given is not alright. It really isn&#039;t.

I find it fairly astounding that those who when it comes to real-life sex are all about 100% positive consent (and rightly so!), seem slightly less bothered about the possibility of their having watched an actual rape as a recreation. An actual assault, filmed and broadcast.  I&#039;d have thought if there was the slightest, most marginal possibility, that what they were viewing was non-consensual any feminist would turn off, not on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello.  I&#8217;ve been turning this over in my mind and the problems I have are these:</p>
<p>Firstly, the issue of consent in the filming of rape porn. In person you can, indeed must have a conversation about consent and limits, you and the other participant(s) are there, you know 100% what is consented-to, and what is not. </p>
<p>However, when someone watches a film they cannot have that same degree of certainty. Just as in-person consent can be coerced (making any subsequent act coercive, and therefore abusive and therefore rape), so can a filmed consent &#8216;chat&#8217;. The difference being that (I&#8217;d imagine) that in the majority of films the actors are unknown to the viewer, placing their certainty as to consent at a further remove. The point I&#8217;m making is that as a viewer, you cannot KNOW that consent was given freely. And just as anything less than 100% consent (by which I mean &#8216;Yes&#8217;, not &#8216;If you want to&#8217; btw) in real life is not consensual, so watching something where you cannot be certain 100% consent was given is not alright. It really isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I find it fairly astounding that those who when it comes to real-life sex are all about 100% positive consent (and rightly so!), seem slightly less bothered about the possibility of their having watched an actual rape as a recreation. An actual assault, filmed and broadcast.  I&#8217;d have thought if there was the slightest, most marginal possibility, that what they were viewing was non-consensual any feminist would turn off, not on.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kink, rape, child porn and blurred lines. by Helen Jones (@petunias31)</title>
		<link>http://chillercold.wordpress.com/2013/06/16/kink-rape-child-porn-and-blurred-lines/#comment-1259</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Helen Jones (@petunias31)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find it bizarre that people who pride themselves on making sure their bananas are Fairtrade or their coffee shop pays tax, don&#039;t seem to want to be bothered to ask the question &#039;did the thing that gives me my orgasm hurt anyone else?&#039;

You want to make your own consensual non consent, knock yourself out. But your privilege of being able to do that is considering whether the stuff you handle but don&#039;t know the provenance of might not be the same. We need to be less individualistic and more societal about this. You feel like your sexula preferences are being cramped? Well, as a victim of repeated rapes as a sexually exploited teen, a sex worker in my 20s and a woman under 30, my entire fucking life has been cramped. I&#039;m too scared to walk down the street. I can&#039;t sleep for reliving those experiences. But you might need to seek your kink more carefully. Boo hoo.

Someone walked in when I was being raped. They couldn&#039;t tell it was a rape because non consent isn&#039;t always visible. I&#039;d dissociated while it was happening. He told me if I cried, he&#039;d kill me. The person who came in thought I was just bored. I was trying to save my life. If it had been filmed, I don&#039;t know how people could have told the difference.

I don&#039;t want to shame anyone&#039;s sexual preference, but my whole life I&#039;ve been told someone else&#039;s orgasm counts more than my safety, security and sanity. And it hurts like hell to see so called feminists prizing their wank material over working out how we could try and talk about this and see if there&#039;s a way to have this kink without contributing to rape culture. But having been through the judicial process I know that rape fantasy gets used as an excuse by rapists to get away it. It may not cause rape, but I don&#039;t see why someone who likes this kink gets to have their way when the hard work of making all women feel valued and safe from sexual violence isn&#039;t done. That seems bloody unfair to me and not very feminist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it bizarre that people who pride themselves on making sure their bananas are Fairtrade or their coffee shop pays tax, don&#8217;t seem to want to be bothered to ask the question &#8216;did the thing that gives me my orgasm hurt anyone else?&#8217;</p>
<p>You want to make your own consensual non consent, knock yourself out. But your privilege of being able to do that is considering whether the stuff you handle but don&#8217;t know the provenance of might not be the same. We need to be less individualistic and more societal about this. You feel like your sexula preferences are being cramped? Well, as a victim of repeated rapes as a sexually exploited teen, a sex worker in my 20s and a woman under 30, my entire fucking life has been cramped. I&#8217;m too scared to walk down the street. I can&#8217;t sleep for reliving those experiences. But you might need to seek your kink more carefully. Boo hoo.</p>
<p>Someone walked in when I was being raped. They couldn&#8217;t tell it was a rape because non consent isn&#8217;t always visible. I&#8217;d dissociated while it was happening. He told me if I cried, he&#8217;d kill me. The person who came in thought I was just bored. I was trying to save my life. If it had been filmed, I don&#8217;t know how people could have told the difference.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to shame anyone&#8217;s sexual preference, but my whole life I&#8217;ve been told someone else&#8217;s orgasm counts more than my safety, security and sanity. And it hurts like hell to see so called feminists prizing their wank material over working out how we could try and talk about this and see if there&#8217;s a way to have this kink without contributing to rape culture. But having been through the judicial process I know that rape fantasy gets used as an excuse by rapists to get away it. It may not cause rape, but I don&#8217;t see why someone who likes this kink gets to have their way when the hard work of making all women feel valued and safe from sexual violence isn&#8217;t done. That seems bloody unfair to me and not very feminist.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kink, rape, child porn and blurred lines. by isabelrogers</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[isabelrogers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 09:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Every bit of this is what I would have said if the vague feelings of distaste rolling round my head had ever coalesced. Every bit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every bit of this is what I would have said if the vague feelings of distaste rolling round my head had ever coalesced. Every bit.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kink, rape, child porn and blurred lines. by ourgaff13</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ourgaff13]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 05:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[totally agree with you !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>totally agree with you !</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to survive being wrong on the internet. by Lisa</title>
		<link>http://chillercold.wordpress.com/2013/04/15/how-to-survive-being-wrong-on-the-internet/#comment-1252</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lisa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 May 2013 02:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for responding.

And I really like what you and others are trying to do about the abhorrent stuff that&#039;s on Facebook. I&#039;m not on Facebook and had no idea such pages even existed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for responding.</p>
<p>And I really like what you and others are trying to do about the abhorrent stuff that&#8217;s on Facebook. I&#8217;m not on Facebook and had no idea such pages even existed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to survive being wrong on the internet. by chiller</title>
		<link>http://chillercold.wordpress.com/2013/04/15/how-to-survive-being-wrong-on-the-internet/#comment-1251</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chiller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 May 2013 20:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s really simple. What&#039;s needed is some awareness in the first place that people who are disabled are pretty common and you are quite likely to be speaking to one right now.

And after that, if you DO say something crass, just say &quot;sorry&quot;. No psychic powers or complexity required.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s really simple. What&#8217;s needed is some awareness in the first place that people who are disabled are pretty common and you are quite likely to be speaking to one right now.</p>
<p>And after that, if you DO say something crass, just say &#8220;sorry&#8221;. No psychic powers or complexity required.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Facebook statement &#8211; don&#8217;t thank them. #FBrape by Jay Deeds</title>
		<link>http://chillercold.wordpress.com/2013/05/28/the-facebook-statement-dont-thank-them-fbrape/#comment-1250</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay Deeds]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 May 2013 17:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very good Article I agree with you 175% Exactly Don&#039;t Thank Facebook AT ALL !!!!!!!! Because in the first place any violence against a man, woman,child or animal is wrong and FaceBook should of addressed this in policy years ago and prior to be called on the carpet for it for years..But not until after the fact that sick pathetic losers @ FaceBook Mark Z included I guess he must  think it is humorous as well As losers continue to post #FBRape  images and Facebook also allow animal cruelty and many other sick twisted garbage on the site which involves hate on all levels!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good Article I agree with you 175% Exactly Don&#8217;t Thank Facebook AT ALL !!!!!!!! Because in the first place any violence against a man, woman,child or animal is wrong and FaceBook should of addressed this in policy years ago and prior to be called on the carpet for it for years..But not until after the fact that sick pathetic losers @ FaceBook Mark Z included I guess he must  think it is humorous as well As losers continue to post #FBRape  images and Facebook also allow animal cruelty and many other sick twisted garbage on the site which involves hate on all levels!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Facebook statement &#8211; don&#8217;t thank them. #FBrape by chiller</title>
		<link>http://chillercold.wordpress.com/2013/05/28/the-facebook-statement-dont-thank-them-fbrape/#comment-1248</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chiller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2013 23:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, it&#039;s only a suspicion on my part, but their statement tends to back it up without contradiction. The point is: we may get what we want. The means, at this stage, don&#039;t matter so much other than in so far as we can learn them and use them again. :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it&#8217;s only a suspicion on my part, but their statement tends to back it up without contradiction. The point is: we may get what we want. The means, at this stage, don&#8217;t matter so much other than in so far as we can learn them and use them again. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on The Facebook statement &#8211; don&#8217;t thank them. #FBrape by glitterandgirlpower</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[glitterandgirlpower]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2013 23:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent article. I blogged about this the other day before Facebook had made their response and is sickening to see how literally all they care about is their profit margin.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article. I blogged about this the other day before Facebook had made their response and is sickening to see how literally all they care about is their profit margin.</p>
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